Today I shall mostly be talking about…History – and probably getting it wrong, but who cares.

Posted on 4 December 2006. Filed under: Anti-Capitalism, Bum, Capitalism, Consumerism, Critique, Culture, Debate, Ethics, History, I'm a Hippy, Industrialisation, Inequality, Money, Observations, Politics, Poo, Ramble, Slavery, Willy |

Before I start I’m going to make it clear that before my blog gets too highbrow (two posts in a row not about being drunk? what are the odds) I will be utilising the words bum, poo and willy as often as possible during the following, rather more serious discussion. I will also probably get lots of facts wrong..but this is the internet…so you should expect that already. Research is for wimps with tiny willys without conviction in the nonsense they believe in.

So, anyway, lets get to it.

So I was doing a poo this morning (true) and reading a World History book (The No-nonsense guide to world history by Chris Brazier…I think it came free with a housemate’s copy of the New Internationalist) and came across a little box out thing about slavery. The point it raised (very briefly..the book is very short but surprisingly good for such a brief summary of so much history) was that the abolition of slavery came about for more reasons that just the humanitarian ones that instantly spring to mind (Wilberforce et al in England…all those lovely people in America (no research for me)). Its quite easy to look back and assume we stopped it because we realised how intensely wrong and evil it all is. So damn evil. Every story I’ve ever heard about slavery has made me sick to my very stomach. Saying that the practice is poo would be grossly (and I mean grossly) understating the situation.

But that’s not the point.

What I wanted to mention was the reason behind it mentioned in this book I mentioned. It said something that had never occurred to me. I felt like a willy-head for not having thought of it. it said the following:

…governments outlawed the practice chiefly for pragmatic reasons. Slaves might not have been well cared for but they had to be given accommodation and food as well as be kept under guard. The coming of factories with the industrial revolution made this trouble unnecessary: it was easier to exploit people’s labo[u]r in return for cash payments and leave them ‘free’ to find the necessities of life themselves. This was also why Britain led the way – because it was the first nation in the world to industrialise.

That’s from page 83 by the way..for those who believe in accurate referencing.

Anyway, as i wiped my bum (true) I started thinking about what a fool I’d been. These things always have motivation beyond the obvious moral one. Like war in Iraq. Was it for oil or was it for humanitarian reasons? I wonder. Anyway..it really made me think. It makes so much sense. Why pay for the shipping over of people when you can exploit people from your own backyard? I mean..I’m sure there were people around at the time who really cared about thinks…but governments aren’t generally in the business of caring. Well…not about people anyway. I mean…I’m sure that that is what they should be doing but it doesn’t tend to work that way.

Vive la revolution eh?

Anyway, it struck me as an interesting point, and it reminded me of something else I heard in a lecture a few years back that I never wrote down the source of. This is the almost entirely unresearched part (I looked at Henry Ford on wiki..and it mentioned it briefly…but generally made him seem like a much nicer guy than I’m about to…sorry Henners..I may be misrepresenting you…but I want to finish my point).

Anyway, basically, it reminded me of the statement that was made about Ford’s establishment of a 8-9 hour a day, five day a week form of employment, and a more than doubling of the minimum wage paid to 5 bucks a day. Now this all sounds great…the establishment of the modern working day, and better wages for poor workers. Brilliant. Minimum wages are great (I thoroughly enjoy mine…still not enough though…I keep on running out of paper to wipe my bum with…still…I always seem to find the money to get me drunk enough that I act like a willy and feel like poo the next day).

Anyway, the shock revelation here (one that Ford regularly pointed out to people who detracted from his rather liberal sounding ideas…it wasn’t really a shock..just something I hadn’t considered before) was that reducing the hours and increasing the wages, meant that people had enough time and money to buy and need more cars. And not just cars…but more of everything. As soon as you have that much free time and money…you have to spend it to fill up your time. The whole leisure industry is based upon this. It may be inaccurate…but I’d probably think of that as the birth of consumer culture. More money can be made out of people who have more money and time on their hands.

Its pretty damn interesting if you ask me.

Anyway, this was all probably obvious to most..but I thought I’d mention it just in case.

Any thoughts?

Bum poo willy

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“slavery came about for more reasons that just the humanitarian ones” – i really couldn’t agree more (!)

Um, wasn’t there a researcher who found out that slavery benifitted the economy, he won a prize or somthing, I remember reading about it.
We are slaves to our things.
That’s why they put all those toy ads on the cartoon channels. How am I going to tell my kids its all crap?

Oh yeah, I forgot about this

http://www.enotes.com/ones-who/

Your post reminded me of this story. The entire collection of shorts is quite thought-provoking. Her work is more philosophical than techno, and that sort of sci fi I like.

Hey found a link to the whole story, its the html version, I wonder if the link will work. Here it is.

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:s_WwDcsbJ9gJ:www.cbe.wwu.edu/dunn/rprnts.omelas.pdf+the+one+who+walk+away+from+omelas&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7

erm.. yeah i have a question, everyone yells at me saying “ITS NOT THE POINT” but what was the situation in many of the countries where slaves were being “imported” (i really want a better word). I have understood that they were filled with slavery – which to me seems like noone has any moral authority, which is true, as noone ever does.

also, whilst I agree with the point that you and the book make, I think its perhaps guilty of the reductionist analysis that you criticed perfectly in your last article

@PPP
Good hand there Mr Sahil…just like Panesar would have in fact. I have edited so that I no longer sound like a psycho (well..so that I sound less psychotic).

@V
I heard something like that once…a friend who did Sociology and had to read a whole essay about how great slavery was and pretty much had to vomit on her seminar tutor to fully express her disgust at the reading. That may be an exaggeration.
And as for adverts for crap on telly…
I don’t know if its just in Britain, but while watching TV last night something really struck me about advertising in the run up to Christmas..and this is stuff aimed at people that might not be called kids. Anyway, all the adverts are suddenly for perfume or terrible looking music compilations and razors and stuff like that. The whole thing seems predicated on the idea that you might not know people well enough to get them something they might actually like and so have to rely on ancient stereotypes…buying something for a woman? Perfume…the only choice. A Man? Got to be some kind of shaving equipment? A teenager? The latest crap indie rock anthology should do the trick.
I thought that last night and started getting pissed off.
That is all.
Well..
For now.

Argh…while I was writing lots of more things got said. Well..lots more things got said…but I quite like my incorrect syntax.
@V
I’ll read those links soon, and get back to you.
And if you like SciFi that’s more philosophical than techno…I’ll send you some choicey picks at some point.
@the ever-changing Sahil
Yes..I’m being very reductionist…I’m no expert and I thought I made it clear I was just raising a point I noticed..not really analysing the slave trade as a whole.
If on the other hand you want to explain/research/write up some stuff for me to post I’d love you forever..hint hint..(Ok..so I already love you..and I can’t really promise eternity..you know that, but that’s the point).
Anyway, thanks for the compliment on yesterday’s effort…that was something I knew a bit more about.
I really would like to go into the topic further…but I know nothing. I hate being reductionist…but it can be difficult to avoid it a lot of the time.
Anyway, what I was really pointing out was that there were more reasons than you often see espoused by people. Ie I’m trying to be anti-reductionist…sorry if it came across otherwise.
And Can Vaughn return? Is he even in the squad?
Now that would be nice.

Psst, you’ve been tagged.

Curse you tentacle loving beaver pimp.
I’m not doing it…well…I might do it in the morning…but not now…I have Buffy to watch, dammit.
Maybe tomorrow…just like the littlest hobo

I was raised by an economist. The greatest thing, in theory, about a democratic society is that it should leverage self-interest (hopefully enlightened but whatever) to make a society make moral choices. Industrial machinery heralded the death of slavery, because it took power away from the producers and put it in the hands of the processors.

All human decisions are economic in the end. It’s the only hope for humanity.

You were raised by a religious Catholic economist? Well that explains your pathologies.

Dood, if I can do this stupid chain letter, YOU can do this stupid chain letter. All we ask is that you not START any, okay? Besides, it’s an easy blog post.

Very interesting. I want underline some points of your post:
1. you are talking about a kind of slavery , ie the slavery of mordern age

2. you are talking ( as well as Marx ;-) ) about our western society.

Both are good, but “another world is possible” (that is the phrase of the social forum and I agree) , Economical reasons are the historical reason that won over others, but we musten’t forget others reasons that existed. They were hidden behind and deepen. But they were. And they are, likely not here , in the western side of the world. These ideas, hidden and far, acted in the past and act now, changing a bit the mainstream and they took part in the process. Thus it is not so clear and coherent, as the useful reductionist explanation paints
These ideas were exploited by the economical reason, but they were different and they can balance the economical mainstream to build a better world (I mean more moral) .

Turn to the currently age, in Italy we, humble people, never know what the wto is really doing and we can’t decide anything … Then we not properly are in democracy, despite the label.Are we all slaves? 8O
is it different in your country?

:-) do I sound a bit rude? Then a smile to make softer my rudeness

@Diddue
I talk about the western world, but only because I’m missing out the majority (New Internationalist seems to favour the term majority world instead of developing world, because it notes that maybe development isn’t going to solve our problems). There’s a hell of a lot I missed in today’s article. It is the kind of thing I need to get experts in to write.
I do not think the UK (or anywhere in the world to be honest) lives in anything approaching true democracy. It’s an idealised aim that is hard to realise. I don’t like to call modern western life slavery, but we certainly work to enslave the world.
Another world is indeed possible.
I try to avoid being a cynic. I try to be idealist and aim for the change that we need.
I’m not always sure how to affect that change though. So I end up thinking about it and thinking. (Sometimes doing, but mostly talking).
@Metro
Wouldn’t it be nice? If democracy worked like that, I mean..not if we were the beach boys (though that would be nice…bagsy Dennis Wilson). Anyway, I think if we had a real democracy it would work like that, but that would require every single voice to be heard, and ideally not just ‘represented’ by someone, but actually heard in itself.
Very hard to make a society run like that.
@Rain
Busy day yesterday, no time to post anything. I think I will…along with a brief discussion on definitions of abnormality that is related to a discussion I had later. I mean…what do I have to be weird compared to? You? The national average? My friends? I’m normal compared to most of them.
Anyway, I like being rude sometimes…I reckon you can take it.


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